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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://pronetolaughter.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/afro-puffs-and-cornrows-in-the-white-house/#comment-2531</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries, Dance, I teach all day too and this is a fun conversation.

It seems we agree that race itself is a cultural code with no stable biological referent. So it follows that racial essentialism is nothing but a particularly narrowly encoded kind of cultural essentialism. This is what it means to say that race is &#039;socially constructed&#039;, just like all of our other knowledge.

Categories can be open (complex, contingent, overlapping) or closed. Essentialisms are closed categorical systems that work by making imperial claims (stereotypes) about what characterizes the members of the class, who&#039;s in and who&#039;s out, and what that&#039;s taken to mean about them. 

Again, once &#039;black&#039; gets disconnected from the visual or genetic markers of race, the power/knowledge game changes and folks who want to use categorization as an empowerment strategy are thrown back on more immediately cultural essentialisms. Pinning &#039;black&#039; to &#039;ghetto&#039; is just that kind of move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, Dance, I teach all day too and this is a fun conversation.</p>
<p>It seems we agree that race itself is a cultural code with no stable biological referent. So it follows that racial essentialism is nothing but a particularly narrowly encoded kind of cultural essentialism. This is what it means to say that race is &#8217;socially constructed&#8217;, just like all of our other knowledge.</p>
<p>Categories can be open (complex, contingent, overlapping) or closed. Essentialisms are closed categorical systems that work by making imperial claims (stereotypes) about what characterizes the members of the class, who&#8217;s in and who&#8217;s out, and what that&#8217;s taken to mean about them. </p>
<p>Again, once &#8216;black&#8217; gets disconnected from the visual or genetic markers of race, the power/knowledge game changes and folks who want to use categorization as an empowerment strategy are thrown back on more immediately cultural essentialisms. Pinning &#8216;black&#8217; to &#8216;ghetto&#8217; is just that kind of move.</p>
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		<title>By: Dance</title>
		<link>http://pronetolaughter.wordpress.com/2008/11/08/afro-puffs-and-cornrows-in-the-white-house/#comment-2524</link>
		<dc:creator>Dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Carl, I was teaching all day. I&#039;m not disagreeing, but I am not sure what you mean by cultural essentialism?  Previously it seemed the discussion had opposed cultural markers to racial essentialism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Carl, I was teaching all day. I&#8217;m not disagreeing, but I am not sure what you mean by cultural essentialism?  Previously it seemed the discussion had opposed cultural markers to racial essentialism.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You were there, I wasn&#039;t, but if your students are like mine and I&#039;ve read your description correctly they were resisting racial essentialism and practicing cultural essentialism. This is not an accusation. As you say, categorization and classification are ordinary cognitive work. I&#039;m happy too when people understand the complexities, contingencies and overlaps of their conventions and if you&#039;ve got any strategies for moving your students toward this I&#039;d love to know them! I find it long, sweaty work.

Since we agree on how categories operate I&#039;m not sure why you&#039;d want to deny the Obamas their whiteness, if they so chose. We let people decide to be Native American with far less foundation, and more power to them. Whiteness is no narrower than blackness as a rich subset of Americanness, which of course we all share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You were there, I wasn&#8217;t, but if your students are like mine and I&#8217;ve read your description correctly they were resisting racial essentialism and practicing cultural essentialism. This is not an accusation. As you say, categorization and classification are ordinary cognitive work. I&#8217;m happy too when people understand the complexities, contingencies and overlaps of their conventions and if you&#8217;ve got any strategies for moving your students toward this I&#8217;d love to know them! I find it long, sweaty work.</p>
<p>Since we agree on how categories operate I&#8217;m not sure why you&#8217;d want to deny the Obamas their whiteness, if they so chose. We let people decide to be Native American with far less foundation, and more power to them. Whiteness is no narrower than blackness as a rich subset of Americanness, which of course we all share.</p>
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		<title>By: dance</title>
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		<dc:creator>dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, actually my students were resisting essentialism. While they had a too-narrow definition of black culture, they were using only cultural standards to ascribe blackness.

I would not call the Obamas culturally white. Rather they are culturally American, which they do claim. Just because American culture is dominated by many things that dominate white culture does not make it equivalent---&quot;white culture&quot; carries a narrowness that American culture does not.

I always categorize and classify everything. I&#039;m happy when people understand that general categories embrace complex and contingent characteristics, and may be overlapping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, actually my students were resisting essentialism. While they had a too-narrow definition of black culture, they were using only cultural standards to ascribe blackness.</p>
<p>I would not call the Obamas culturally white. Rather they are culturally American, which they do claim. Just because American culture is dominated by many things that dominate white culture does not make it equivalent&#8212;&#8221;white culture&#8221; carries a narrowness that American culture does not.</p>
<p>I always categorize and classify everything. I&#8217;m happy when people understand that general categories embrace complex and contingent characteristics, and may be overlapping.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. The Obamas are certainly culturally black by my standards as well, and by theirs, and culturally white too any time they want to claim it. But we&#039;re now on the grounds of asserted and ascribed identities, which is where most students get tripped up. They tend to think of both race and culture as essences rather than contested, hybridized fields of understandings and practices.

I suppose I&#039;m an identity anarchist. I see the power/knowledge leverage in identity categories, but I&#039;m happy anytime it gets more difficult to fit complex human beings into these procrustean beds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. The Obamas are certainly culturally black by my standards as well, and by theirs, and culturally white too any time they want to claim it. But we&#8217;re now on the grounds of asserted and ascribed identities, which is where most students get tripped up. They tend to think of both race and culture as essences rather than contested, hybridized fields of understandings and practices.</p>
<p>I suppose I&#8217;m an identity anarchist. I see the power/knowledge leverage in identity categories, but I&#8217;m happy anytime it gets more difficult to fit complex human beings into these procrustean beds.</p>
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		<title>By: dance</title>
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		<dc:creator>dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 20:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I see the confusion. You are arguing that it is okay to label people who are genetically of African descent as not-black because black should be a measurement of culture rather than biology.  Say, the transracially adopted child raised in a white family just as a white child would be, should not be considered black.

The confusion here is that that doesn&#039;t apply to the Obamas. They ARE really black. That&#039;s what I mean by afro-puffs and cornrows in the white house (my post was a bit telegraphic as well)---those are signs of black culture, regardless of Obama being half-white and the daughters a quarter-white. Black church for 20 years, black wife, black call-and-response style, living (previously working) on the segregated south side of chicago---Obama is black, irrelevant of white mother. (We can throw in black music and basketball as reinforcing that, though not sufficient in themselves).  (Now, could a biologically white person with all those characteristics be considered black?  Not in America today, but it would be the test of the de-coupling that you desire.) My problem with my students is that the only sign of black culture that they recognize is the ghetto thug blackness of hip-hop culture.

Now, there&#039;s also an argument that having dark skin in the US makes you black. That is, that living as a black man, facing the racial attitudes and prejudices of the US, is a common experience that makes the transracially adopted child black regardless of upbringing. That sort of mixes the cultural and biological markers of blackness---it&#039;s a different path to blackness than Obama&#039;s, and a more controversial one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I see the confusion. You are arguing that it is okay to label people who are genetically of African descent as not-black because black should be a measurement of culture rather than biology.  Say, the transracially adopted child raised in a white family just as a white child would be, should not be considered black.</p>
<p>The confusion here is that that doesn&#8217;t apply to the Obamas. They ARE really black. That&#8217;s what I mean by afro-puffs and cornrows in the white house (my post was a bit telegraphic as well)&#8212;those are signs of black culture, regardless of Obama being half-white and the daughters a quarter-white. Black church for 20 years, black wife, black call-and-response style, living (previously working) on the segregated south side of chicago&#8212;Obama is black, irrelevant of white mother. (We can throw in black music and basketball as reinforcing that, though not sufficient in themselves).  (Now, could a biologically white person with all those characteristics be considered black?  Not in America today, but it would be the test of the de-coupling that you desire.) My problem with my students is that the only sign of black culture that they recognize is the ghetto thug blackness of hip-hop culture.</p>
<p>Now, there&#8217;s also an argument that having dark skin in the US makes you black. That is, that living as a black man, facing the racial attitudes and prejudices of the US, is a common experience that makes the transracially adopted child black regardless of upbringing. That sort of mixes the cultural and biological markers of blackness&#8212;it&#8217;s a different path to blackness than Obama&#8217;s, and a more controversial one.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that was a bit telegraphic. We should encourage the decoupling of culture from genetic origins. 

My own genetic heritage is (or includes) Scottish; but having grown up in eastern Pennsylvania I&#039;m about as culturally Scottish as Barack and Michelle. This means that I&#039;m not really Scottish, nor can I make myself so by wearing a kilt. It&#039;s in this sense that it&#039;s appropriate to say that the Obamas maybe aren&#039;t really black, black being a culture not a race (since races don&#039;t really exist except as cultural constructs anyway).

The only way to make them really black is to insist on the racialization of the category, like saying that my one or more drops of Celtic blood and my freckles make me Scottish no matter what; or to suppose that there is some common experience that everyone with that skin has had and everyone without it has not, like the oppression I have no doubt experienced as a colonized subject of the British Empire. Um, or not. 

Otherwise, we&#039;ll need to start to get solid with genetically African people becoming unblack just like genetically Celtic people become unScottish.

These are things that Stuart Hall and Anthony Appiah have said in contesting the essentialisms of racial identity ascription, I&#039;m just trying to think them through in the Obama context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that was a bit telegraphic. We should encourage the decoupling of culture from genetic origins. </p>
<p>My own genetic heritage is (or includes) Scottish; but having grown up in eastern Pennsylvania I&#8217;m about as culturally Scottish as Barack and Michelle. This means that I&#8217;m not really Scottish, nor can I make myself so by wearing a kilt. It&#8217;s in this sense that it&#8217;s appropriate to say that the Obamas maybe aren&#8217;t really black, black being a culture not a race (since races don&#8217;t really exist except as cultural constructs anyway).</p>
<p>The only way to make them really black is to insist on the racialization of the category, like saying that my one or more drops of Celtic blood and my freckles make me Scottish no matter what; or to suppose that there is some common experience that everyone with that skin has had and everyone without it has not, like the oppression I have no doubt experienced as a colonized subject of the British Empire. Um, or not. </p>
<p>Otherwise, we&#8217;ll need to start to get solid with genetically African people becoming unblack just like genetically Celtic people become unScottish.</p>
<p>These are things that Stuart Hall and Anthony Appiah have said in contesting the essentialisms of racial identity ascription, I&#8217;m just trying to think them through in the Obama context.</p>
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		<title>By: dance</title>
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		<dc:creator>dance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carl, I am not sure I understand what you mean? What should be encouraged?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl, I am not sure I understand what you mean? What should be encouraged?</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my experience this is what folks mean when they say &#039;Black culture&#039; as opposed to &#039;Black race&#039;. It&#039;s like saying you&#039;re not really Irish just because you have freckles and all you do is get drunk on green beer for St. Patty&#039;s.

In my view this should be encouraged. The more we decouple cultural blackness from recent African genes, the more the discourse is deracialized. 

At this point &quot;Black&quot; is a floating signifier marked by the usual play of judgments characteristic of stigma and stigma management. Rather than jump into that with old/new ways of valorizing, claiming and disclaiming the sign, I&#039;d like to see us get beyond good and evil by noting the contingency of all of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my experience this is what folks mean when they say &#8216;Black culture&#8217; as opposed to &#8216;Black race&#8217;. It&#8217;s like saying you&#8217;re not really Irish just because you have freckles and all you do is get drunk on green beer for St. Patty&#8217;s.</p>
<p>In my view this should be encouraged. The more we decouple cultural blackness from recent African genes, the more the discourse is deracialized. </p>
<p>At this point &#8220;Black&#8221; is a floating signifier marked by the usual play of judgments characteristic of stigma and stigma management. Rather than jump into that with old/new ways of valorizing, claiming and disclaiming the sign, I&#8217;d like to see us get beyond good and evil by noting the contingency of all of it.</p>
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